1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,480 The following is part of Cornell  Contemporary China Initiative lecture series   2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,240 under the Cornell East Asia Program.  The arguments and viewpoints of this   3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,600 talk belong solely to the  speaker. We hope you enjoy. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:18,160 Uh so today we have Ruixue Jia  come to speak to us from San Diego,   5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:24,960 where she's been since 2013, uh but before  that she was in Stockholm where she did her PhD   6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,880 in, and I have to read this too because  it's long to remember, in the Institute   7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,400 for International Economic Studies at Stockholm  University, uh and your department now in San   8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:46,640 Diego is the Global Policy and Strategy, GPS,  newly named. Uh so we're very happy to have her   9 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,600 here from all these uh disparate places to  speak to us about some very important things   10 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:57,520 in China uh very interesting mix of economics  and social issues, so my hand it to you. 11 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:06,560 Thank you uh thanks a lot uh so this is a based on  mainly a joint work with Hongbin Li from Tsinghua,   12 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:12,400 so you see his name there. Let's before  talking about China and the exam, I want to   13 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:17,200 share with you a broad motivation, why  we started thinking about this project,   14 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:24,480 Access to education, especially elite  education, is believed to be super important   15 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,840 for elite formation and social mobility  across all societies in modern societies,   16 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,640 You may know the sociological works  by Pierre Bourdieu, for example,   17 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,640 and I will not talk about that literature,  instead of more, talk more about economics. So   18 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:47,680 in economics, there's also burgeoning literature,  trying to estimate the returns to elite education.   19 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:53,440 For example, if you attended university, Cornell  university how much more would you earn after   20 00:01:53,440 --> 00:02:00,720 graduation compared to attending a non-elite or  non-Ivy League university? Surprisingly or not,   21 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:08,160 there's no conclusion on this, and many studies  find actually you don't necessarily earn more, why   22 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:14,000 there's no, why there's controversy, conversation  about this topic, you, you would think, oh it may   23 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,920 be easier just compare the graduate students here  with another set of graduate students from a less   24 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:25,200 good university. Let's look at their salaries and  we get the conclusion, but that's not easy. As   25 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:32,240 you see, uh you know, your, you can come to Cornell  because you are much able than other universities,   26 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:38,640 or your family background might be very different  that students from non-elite universities, so   27 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:43,120 in the end when you go to the job market even  if you earn more it's not necessarily because   28 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,760 of Cornell, it could be because of your own  ability or because your family background   29 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,480 so that's a typical challenge known as the  selection, and that's, you know, makes it   30 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,920 difficult to reach a conclusion about whether  attending elite university really helps or not   31 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:04,160 and this literature also didn't talk much  about elite formation, social mobility.   32 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:10,160 So in this project, we try to first also  estimate the returns to elite education,   33 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:16,240 but we also want to speak to social mobility and  elite formation in China. In addition, we want to   34 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:22,080 shed some light to understand the mechanism. If  we find a wage premium, where does it come from,   35 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:29,120 and why China, of course? My reason is: I'm  Chinese. I care about China, and many of you   36 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,920 may care about China; that's why you are here.  But there are even, if you you know don't care   37 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:40,240 about China, a Chinese case is very interesting  to study intellectually because uh this Chinese   38 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:46,400 ideal laboratory to understand the rule of  elite education. As you may know, each year,   39 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:52,880 around 10 million students are taking this college  entrance exam. This is likely to be the largest   40 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:59,040 standardized exam in the world, and this exam  score will determine whether a young person can   41 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:06,880 attend a university, and which tier of university,  so it's really important for this million,   42 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:13,440 10 million of students each year, and they exist  cut-offs for different tiers of university,   43 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,920 so if you are just, for the first tier, the  elite university, if you're above the cut-off,   44 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,200 you're eligible to apply, if not you you're not  eligible. When social scientists hear about this   45 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:29,600 they get excited. You seem not very excited, but  this, because, why this is so exciting because now   46 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,400 you can compare relatively similar students,  you know, before I talk, I said it's very   47 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:41,120 difficult to compare students in Cornell with the  non-Ivy League university students, but now you   48 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:46,640 can compare relatively similar students, it just  someone are just a few points above the cut off,   49 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:52,160 some are just few points below the cutoff. Now  let's look at which university they went to,   50 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:58,400 and let's follow them, see whether they're someone  who, uh whether there's difference in which when   51 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:04,800 they go to the labor market. And in addition to  this general motivation, the exam system may be   52 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,560 one of the most important institutions in China,  as many of you may know. It's often perceived to   53 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:16,880 be, you know, the only most important channel  for Communists to become elite in the society.   54 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:24,080 I will focus on economic consequence in this talk,  but this exam system also has other interesting   55 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,160 social, cultural, political consequence.  If you actually if you are interested in   56 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:34,240 the political consequence you can read a great  paper, I was joking, written by my co-author and I   57 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:40,880 last year, look at a historical version of the  exam, and how that affects political stability   58 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,360 of Chinese dynasties, but I wouldn't talk  about this in this talk. I'll talk about   59 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:52,560 the modern college entrance exam and the economic  consequences. Just to show you some picture, uh,   60 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:58,320 you know you can easily, if you type the exam  called gao kao (高考) in Chinese in Google,   61 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:04,480 you'll find many many impressive pictures online.  Uh the first pictures, I select a few for you,   62 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:10,560 the first one is just like how my classroom  looked like when I was in high school. You know,   63 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,320 people are just heading down, practicing the the  exercises for the exam, they don't have time to   64 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:21,360 ask questions. So that's one, I always  think that's one reason why Chinese students   65 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:26,240 are not great at asking questions, even when  they come to the U.S., so I'm very happy I'm   66 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,640 on this side speaking instead of sitting there  thinking about oh what questions should I ask,   67 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:37,520 so don't worry if you do not have many  questions later. And the second picture uh is a   68 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,640 not only the students are clearly working  hard, their parents are invest a lot,   69 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,680 and when they were like writing on the exam during  like the two days in June, their parents are   70 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,120 waiting equally anxiously outside. You know, my  father was doing that when I was taking the exam.   71 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:59,360 And the schools also came up all type interesting  slogans trying to encourage their students to work   72 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,440 hard, and here's one popular one, said: oh without  the exam, how could you compete with the second   73 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:11,840 generation of the rich, you know. This this is  because people some students complain that it   74 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:17,440 is so harsh to work for the exam but the  rationale is, without it how could you   75 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:23,040 compete in this society, because the children  of the rich has so much, so many advantages.   76 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:30,320 But now, why do we, I can stop here and let you  go. Oh this is very important, the students are   77 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,280 work hard in, parents are invest a lot, then of  course on the labor market there should be some   78 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:41,520 consequence and we can stop and you can go home,  but this is not without controversy, because this   79 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:47,600 in, this China, as you know family background is  also believed to be crucial in the labor market,   80 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:53,840 and there was even phrase, ironical phrase  called: to each according to his dead. You know,   81 00:07:53,840 --> 00:08:00,320 Marxism has this to each according to his need.  Then this is ironically say, oh in the end,   82 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:06,000 it's to each the distribution of the societies  according to your debt, so if this is right,   83 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,840 then this upper mobility, upward mobility provided  by the exam might be just an illusion rather than   84 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:17,120 reality. So that's why we want to collect  systematic data and doing careful analysis   85 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,680 to better understand the general pattern, and if  we find something, we also want to understand the   86 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:29,760 mechanism behind the pattern. So I just give you a  preview about what we find so far, uh then you can   87 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:35,280 you know think about your Halloween party while  I go to the details. So the first is, you know,   88 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:42,720 that's scoring the part, the elite university  cut-off, make one more likely to go to university.   89 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:48,240 If you think, you know, China is super corrupt,  maybe the education system is also very corrupt,   90 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,480 even there are some cutoffs, it doesn't  matter in the end. But the answer is,   91 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,720 yes it matters a lot, you know, scoring above  the cut-off increase the probability a lot   92 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:05,120 of going to elite university. And the second, the  question is, or, does elite education lead to a   93 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,800 high wage. The answer is yes, and they decide,  it's the effective size of what I'll show you,   94 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:16,800 and then you if you earn a high wage due to elite  education, does that mean that you become elite   95 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:23,200 in the society? Our answer is unclear. I  will be more concrete about this later,   96 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,880 so while we find a wage premium, we don't  find much in other important dimension that's   97 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:34,080 important for being an elite in this society  such as perks, such as whether you can working   98 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:40,240 for the government, whether you can work for the  banking industry, etc. I'll be more uh clear later   99 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:46,320 uh and we also want to know that's going to, the  in terms of intergenerational mobility, like,   100 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,520 that's going to, go into elite university  or scoring the culture above the cut off,   101 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,800 changing the intergenerational mobility. In other  words, does that change how your parental status   102 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:03,840 affect your own status? And our answer is:  no. This might be surprising, but we find no   103 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:10,080 change in inter-generational mobility. I'll be  clear later about what we find. Finally, we want   104 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:16,400 to understand what leads to the wage premium.  Is that you learn more in an elite university   105 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:22,320 like Cornell, or you actually get to know more  people so that you have a better job or that,   106 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:28,160 this is purely a signaling channel, you don't  necessarily learn more, have more human capital   107 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,520 than other students in a non-elite university,  but you still get high wage because there's strong   108 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,560 signaling, you have an elite education, that's  very important. And what we find surprising or   109 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:45,040 not is more evidence for signaling than human  capital or social networks. And you know,   110 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:52,240 you might have some questions and we can discuss  later. So I will now come to the details,   111 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:58,400 uh I will first briefly introduce some background  of the how elite education works in China, and   112 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:04,640 tells you how we collect this data. And then I'll  go to the questions and our answers step by step.   113 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:12,240 So all tier, first, all tiers of Chinese  universities, all the university in China,   114 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:17,520 recruit based on the exam system, and what we  call elite university in this project is the first   115 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:26,240 tier. And they recruit first after the exam. They  thee are about around, about 2,300 universities   116 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:34,160 in China among the (unintelligible) study period only  96 count as the first tier across all provinces,   117 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:40,160 and this definition is very closely related  to this Project 211, I'm not sure whether   118 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:48,240 you heard about it, but this is a pro-, this is a  designated 100 universities for the 21st century,   119 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,640 but these are another category of elite  universities they heavily overlapped with   120 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:58,800 what we call elite university in this project. And  just for your information, all elite university in   121 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:05,440 China are public, not not like Cornell, I guess,  and they are not so small they're more like UC,   122 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:11,120 University of California type of university and  they don't charge higher tuition fees than private   123 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:18,400 universities, and the yearly tuition fee is about  5000 RMB, so it's about 800 dollars. Not too high,   124 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:25,840 right, 800 dollars. Uh and what makes elite  university special is they have more resources   125 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:32,720 and the government uh government support, and  they attract very different uh students. Uh and   126 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,520 there's an interesting feature, I'll come back  to this after telling you all those findings,   127 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:44,400 the education system in China is is very well  known for strict interest and easy out. So you   128 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,680 have it has this very strict exam to select  students, but once you are in almost everyone   129 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:55,120 are promised to graduate to graduate. So that  might affect, you know, the mechanism of wage   130 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,240 premium you'll find later. So so you know if you  go to elite university, or non-elite university,   131 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:07,760 the graduate race, ratio, or rate is very similar.  Uh so how would this do, how does university   132 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,600 admit students? So just give you a  rough picture, before most provinces   133 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,840 the process works as follows. First everyone  takes the the exam, and the exam was graded by   134 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:27,920 province, so the score are only comparable  within the province, and after seeing the scores   135 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:33,520 the government will decide the cutoff for the  elite university, and the cutoff would be public,   136 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,640 public everyone knows this, and the students know  their scores, and they know the cutoff, they fill   137 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:45,840 in the application, including the university and  the majors, and if you are above the cut off,   138 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,440 the first tier cutoff, you are eligible to apply  for these elite universities, but you are not,   139 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:57,040 this is not sufficient, you are not, for example,  if you are you like 20 points above the cutoff,   140 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:02,000 you apply to Tsinghua, which is the top elite  university, you are very less likely to get   141 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:08,080 into because many people apply in to Tsinghua,  so there's computation in the end, uh whether   142 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,880 you know the minimum score for each university  is different, depending on the computation.   143 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,920 So the cutoff determines the eligibility,  but it's not sufficient, just to be clear.   144 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:27,440 And then after receiving these applications,  the university decides whom to accept. So just   145 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:37,520 how the scores are the look like, so in this  period most provinces use a scale of 750 points,   146 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:43,360 so they're based on four projects, there are two  tracks: one is called the natural science track,   147 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:49,280 the other is social science track, and they are  testing different subjects. I, I wouldn't read it,   148 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:56,000 but roughly like based on four subjects and  together the maximum score is 750 points.   149 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:03,040 And I just want to be clear about the  background. If you are below the cutoff,   150 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:09,280 you have a very low probability, not zero, but low  probability. You can still apply if you have some   151 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:15,360 extra scores, for example, these extra scores  are typically because you're a minority, or you   152 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:22,640 your father died for the country, or you get some  international prize from math uh physics type of   153 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,600 competition, you have got some extra score, so  even if your original score is below the cutoff,   154 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,240 with extra score you can become eligible,  but the probability is generally very low   155 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:37,120 and if you are above the cutoff, yes you  can apply now, but as I said, before it's   156 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:42,880 not that 100 sure you're getting to the at the  university you apply, you could be rejected,   157 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:49,440 and didn't get get into any university. This  is the background now, come to the data, like   158 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,920 I said and the social scientists are very excited  about this, they should have already done this,   159 00:15:53,920 --> 00:16:00,240 why wouldn't, why would no one has done this, this  is because there's no data on this. Individuals do   160 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:06,400 know their own score but there's no systematic  score available for large group of individual,   161 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:12,560 even you get that it's very difficult to  link the scores to the labor market outcome,   162 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:18,320 so to do this one has to collect data myself. So  what we do is we have been collecting this data   163 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:29,120 for six years by surveying the graduating cohort in  May and June during 2010 and 2015. So as you may   164 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:36,000 know, students would already, they would have to  leave their school or their college in July by May   165 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,760 and June, they already know what they would do for  the future, right, some a small share would go to   166 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,960 graduate school, but the majority of them already  searched for job, and then the majority of them   167 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:53,760 have already got job offers, and that's what we  get about their job outcomes. And of course this   168 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:58,960 is the first job. What I show you, the main result  of the first job but I'll show you some additional   169 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:05,120 (unintelligible) time additional data telling you that  the first job is very important for your future   170 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:11,680 jobs too, and this might be useful for you since  you have not searched for a job yet, I guess,   171 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:17,920 so actually yesterday I was in a conference on  inequality in the U.S. People using detailed   172 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:24,400 data in this country showing that the inequality  within a cohort, so with, when the graduating   173 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:32,080 cohort in lifetime income is already determined  at age 20- 25 so basically your first job is   174 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:38,080 super important in determining your lifetime  income. And this is also the case in China,   175 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:46,480 I wouldn't have time to tell you how how  we implemented these surveys step by step,   176 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:53,040 but one interesting thing is we have very high  response rate. This is because we not really give   177 00:17:53,040 --> 00:18:00,480 the survey questionnaires by individuals, instead  we selected all the individuals by some random   178 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:06,800 sample method and then we gathered all of them in  this such a big classroom, and they fill all the   179 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:13,840 questionnaires by the same day, the same time,  the same place that increase the response rate.   180 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:22,160 So for, for these six years we've managed to  survey exactly 90 universities in China. Among   181 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:31,040 them, 26 belong to the amount of of the elite  university group. We deliberately oversampled   182 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:38,000 the elite university so that we can have enough  students to compare. So in these six years,   183 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:46,080 we collected information for about 4,000, 40,000  uh students in the in their graduating year,   184 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:51,120 so the first map, just to show you where the  ninety universities were located, were located,   185 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:58,000 there as you see they're widely spread across 26  provinces in China, and if you look at where their   186 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,920 students come from, they come from all over China,  you know, we don't have like university in Tibet,   187 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:11,920 but you know we still have students from Tibet in  other provinces, so we have about 40,000 students   188 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,720 but before today's talk I will focus on about  10,000 students of them who have scores just   189 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:26,320 within 20 points, around the cut-off. If you  recall, that the maximum score is 750 points,   190 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:31,920 so 20 points you know it's not that that  large, so people are relatively comparable,   191 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,840 and so we'll compare students all of them  are within 20 points around the cut-off. 192 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:48,400 So now I come to the first set result to show  you that how the exam scores affect access to   193 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,440 elite education, and also show you a little  bit about how this affects other dimensions,   194 00:19:53,440 --> 00:20:01,200 like what major they would be majoring, where they  study, and their rank in college. So the first uh   195 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:09,520 figure, the x-axis is is the point to the  cutoff, so each dot indicate or on one point,   196 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:15,680 not um a group of students are one point below,  uh or five points below the cutoff or five points   197 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:22,720 above the cutoff. The y axis plots the average  probability of attending an elite university,   198 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:28,400 so what you see is, this is zero here, it's  there's very small probability that one can   199 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:34,080 go to elite university if they are below  the cutoff. But you see this very clear   200 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:40,880 jump after one is above the cutoff, and this  is the increase as you're getting high scores.   201 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,640 And this is, you know, clearly show this  significant change if you're above the cutoff,   202 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:53,360 you're much more likely to attend an elite  university, as I said, because why do I put it   203 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:59,600 here because the scores are only comparable within  province, year, and track. There are two tracks,   204 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:06,240 so sometimes you want to isolate these facts to  just compare students within the province year and   205 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:12,560 track. So I only compare students within Beijing,  just one student in Beijing with another student   206 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,440 in Beijing. I'm not to compare a student in  Beijing with a student in Shandong, for example.   207 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:24,080 And you see, now after considering this, you see a  similar pattern. So in terms of magnitude, if you   208 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:29,680 are scoring above the cut off, the probability,  you, the probability of getting elite,   209 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:36,560 into elite university would be increased by 0.15  but this is about, over 70 percent of the mean.   210 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:43,840 So your probability of going to elite university  increases by 70 percent, and this is pretty large.   211 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,200 And and you would wonder, you know, I will  tell you that one, why we want to use this   212 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:55,280 kind of design is to to make sure that the  students around the cutoff are comparable,   213 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,640 right, so we want to check just to show you, you  know, if you look at their well their gender,   214 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:07,360 their age, whether they have rural or urban, or  their family income, you'll find that they're   215 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:13,280 similar, there's no similar diff- like  this jump in these figures like implying   216 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,640 that they're fairly comparable. If you don't do  this way, if you just look at all the students   217 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:25,520 then you'll also see them seem like discontinue  you'll see a jump because students are being elite   218 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,320 university, or have high scores that typically  also have high, from high income families,   219 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:36,560 etc. And this way, we can make sure that these  students are comparable. I want to mention that,   220 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,960 it's not a, scoring about the cut off not only  changes whether you go to an elite university,   221 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:49,440 it also changes your major, and it changes  where you go to, uh you know, where you study,   222 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,520 and it changes your ranking in college. So  how, why this, uh how does this work? So uh   223 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,680 if you think about this, if you are just above  the cutoff, right, you are lucky about the cutoff,   224 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:08,080 but you are the worst in this eligible group. All  the other students uh have higher score than you,   225 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:15,440 right. Is this clear? Uh so you are worse so you  are actually less likely to go to a good major,   226 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,800 like in this period, economics, finance and  the law are the more popular major. You're not,   227 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,920 you're less likely to be able to enroll in such  popular major because, among those are eligible   228 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:32,160 for elite university, you are the worst. Uh  whereas if you are in a non-elite group, even   229 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,840 though you are not eligible to elite university,  among compared with your peers, you are the best.   230 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,800 So there's an interesting reversal pattern here,  and this is what we find if you look at the   231 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:49,360 probability, this is the same, like score point  by point relative to the cutoff, if you look at   232 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:56,960 the probability of enrolling uh econ management  or law, you'll see actually there's, if you are   233 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:03,200 above the cutoff, you are slightly less likely to  maintain these popular major affairs. And this is   234 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:09,120 can be explained by a slightly increasing  STEM and slightly increase in humanity.   235 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:16,640 And if you look at where the university located,  they're more likely to be outside the home   236 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:22,800 province, because all this elite university  typically including be in provinces far away   237 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:28,160 from the home province, so they're also more  likely to study outside their home province,   238 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:35,840 and as I said, they are relatively worse  within the eligible group. This could be   239 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,600 reflected by their ranking in college, so in  the survey we asked how do you think about   240 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,960 your rank in your class, like do you think  you belong to 20 percent, top twenty percent   241 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:53,120 or bottom 20 percent? What's interesting is,  there's a very interesting bias. For example,   242 00:24:53,120 --> 00:25:01,440 only like only 5 percent of students claim that  they are bottom 20. This doesn't like you know   243 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:07,280 makes sense, right? But that's our bias and over 40 percent of students claim they are   244 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:13,840 top 20. So, we are always overconfident, right; we  are less likely to think we are like the bottom;   245 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,880 we're more likely to think we're at the top.  But despite this, you know, interesting bias,   246 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,800 you'll see that if you are above the cutoff, you  are more, less likely to see you are on the top;   247 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,520 you're more likely to see you are bottom. All  this just to to paint to the picture that,   248 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,000 yes, these people are eligible to elite  university if they're above the cutoff,   249 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,200 but they also have some disadvantage in major  and maybe college ranking, or this might affect   250 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,560 their labor market outcome, too, and we need  to consider this when we come to the wage part.   251 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:52,480 Now I'll come to the wage part, uh I will first  show you you know how this affects your wage, you   252 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:58,880 know, the first job wage and I'll need to tell you  a little bit about how major and other dimensions   253 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:05,520 affect these findings, and what's the implication  on elite status for the students and how important   254 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:11,440 the first job for your future jobs. Just, before  showing the wage, I want to, you know, as you can   255 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,640 imagine, not everyone started looking for a job,  right; some of them would go to graduate school,   256 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:23,120 so average 74 percent searched for a job. Among  those searched for a job, 74 got offered, this   257 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:28,560 is not typo, it just happened to be the case.  And so, so I told you in the first part,   258 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:34,480 about ten thousand students, we look  at in terms of uh entering- entry uh   259 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:42,240 into college, and now we are looking at the  wage part; we only have half of these students   260 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:48,400 really have wage information. And just for  your information, those above the cutoff are   261 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,920 slightly less likely to look for jobs, as you  can imagine. If you go to elite university, you   262 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,960 might have other options, et cetera, that affects  the probability, but the difference is not huge.   263 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,960 So if you look at the wage, you you can look at  this- the similar graph point by point, uh and   264 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:13,920 this is a the better way of looking at that. The  y-axis now is the log wage if you think about   265 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,880 the difference between the, the at- the right hand  side and the left-hand side and the right-hand   266 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:25,040 side, you can think of the percentage change  in wage level. So if you look at the difference   267 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,400 between these two, you can't see clearly, so you  have to trust me. It's about six percent, so the   268 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,600 wage difference would be about six percent. If  you are just above the cut off, your your monthly   269 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:44,480 wages increased by six percent. And this is not,  no this is about means, about uh 160 RMB is about   270 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:52,640 25, 26 US dollars, maybe not huge but if you look  at wage premium, you have to divide it- if- this   271 00:27:53,200 --> 00:28:00,320 wage difference by the probability increased  the probability of going to elite university   272 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,920 increased by being above the cutoff. And this  would give us an estimate about 40 percent,   273 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,600 so- which is pretty large. It means that elite  education has a wage premium about 40 percent,   274 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:20,160 that about 1000 RMB in a month. In this period, I  forgot to see if the monthly wage for these fresh   275 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:28,880 graduates is about 2500 RMB. So 1000 basically  is about 40 percent of the monthly increase. So   276 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,960 roughly, you can think going to a elite university  at the median wage which would be about 3,500.   277 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:43,360 There's no good like very well identified wage  premium for college students in China, either,   278 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,320 but we can compare with them. If you look  at other contests, uh like in the U.S.,   279 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:54,400 some estimate is zero, so the elite university  like the Kruger-Dale study there's no   280 00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:01,600 elite education wage premium. There's one study  in Italy compared students who could just go to   281 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,720 Bocconi versus other university and  they had a estimate of 45 percent,   282 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:14,480 but it's difficult to compare across countries. I  haven't considered the major or like location of   283 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:21,440 university or your ranking class, how that affects  your wage premium, but as you can already imagine,   284 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,840 this major and the ranking all have  a disadvantage, right, as I said,   285 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:31,120 you are the worst basically if you are above  the cut off your worst among the eligible group.   286 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,520 And if you include them that only makes  your weight premium slightly larger.   287 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,160 If you compare, so as I said before now,  you have, if you have above the cut off,   288 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,320 you're more eligible, you're more likely  to go to university go to elite university,   289 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,600 but you're less likely to go to, to major  in a popular field. So if you consider that,   290 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,520 uh take care of that, you'll find actually the  wage premium or elite education slightly higher,   291 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,200 from six, to include, to be  seven percent, for example,   292 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:08,880 uh and now come, you know, you, I show you that  yes elite education now has some wage premium,   293 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:15,120 however, does that mean that a young person  now become elite in this society? If you know   294 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,040 about this country, you would say, oh I don't  know, because many elite dimensions are not,   295 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,920 cannot be captured by the wage premium.  For example, you know, maybe going to a   296 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:32,400 banking industry, finding a job in SOE or  have a hu kou (户口) in Beijing or Shanghai,   297 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:38,160 these are typically also very important for elite  status. Does going to elite university change all   298 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:44,160 these dimensions? That's what we all want to  answer. Uh so we examine like three dimensions   299 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:50,400 to shed light on this question. First, we have to,  we look at how the job, which job characteristics   300 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:56,480 explain the wage premium. Is that to be explained  by your occupation industry, or ownership? Or is   301 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,920 actually explained by something like within the  indiv- within the industry occupation? So you're   302 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:09,440 still working in the same occupation, but you have  different wage. We also define elite occupation   303 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,280 industry and ownership in an interesting  way, I think. So in the data we ask people:   304 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:23,280 what is their ideal occupation industry? We know  they real-life industry and occupation, right,   305 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,640 we know their ideal industry and occupation, then  this gives us some ratio. If an industry like   306 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:36,480 banking, most people hope to work in, but very  few can realize this job, then this is likely   307 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:43,520 to be an elite occupation similarly for industry  and the ownership. So this gives us some measure   308 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:50,000 of eliteness of their job, and finally we also  check some non-wage benefits like whether they   309 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,920 get houses subsidy, whether they have like all  types of insurance. Uh in the end, we don't find,   310 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:03,600 or in all this dimension, we don't  find evidence that this means the the   311 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:10,560 people with elite education or also enter the  elite club. So don't worry about the tables,   312 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,800 if we do, if we check which job characteristics  explain the wage premium, in the end we find is   313 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:23,200 not explained by their occupation or industry.  It's actually explained by some variation within   314 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,800 occupation industry, so you are not necessarily  more likely to work for the bank industry, or more   315 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,640 likely to work for the government. It's within the  same industry, you earn a higher wage. So if we   316 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:42,560 define industry or occupation uh by this ratio,  I mentioned it to you, maybe this, uh this is   317 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:49,200 a bit interesting, uh so for example, giving like,  managed person, management personnel or being a   318 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:55,520 leader in a firm or in the government, uh is a  occupation, you know, you typically think this   319 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:02,560 as in like elite occupation, we can also measure  this with data. For example only one percent of,   320 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:08,560 of people would realize a management personnel  occupation, but if you look at how many people   321 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:15,440 hope to work as, in this occupation, it's 10 times  high. So this ratio is only 0.1, meaning that only   322 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:23,040 one in 10 of people could realize their dream. But  if you look at a skilled worker, or for example,   323 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:30,080 uh you'll find a ratio, of if you look at clerks,  for example you'll find the ratio would be four,   324 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:39,840 so you know only, only 7 percent of people would  like to work as a clerk, but 28 of people have 28%   325 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,240 had to work as a clerk in the end.  So this gives us this (unintelligible) 326 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:52,960 elite status or occupation. Similarly  we can look at uh industry or ownership,   327 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:59,600 and we don't find that this is affected by being  above the cutoff or not. If we also look at other   328 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:05,520 dimensions like whether you have a like hukuo in Beijing or whether you get housed in subsidy   329 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,000 or whether you have better insurance,  all these are not, we find no difference   330 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:17,120 between above the cutoff or below the cutoff. So  all the message is, yes we find the wage premium,   331 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:24,320 but if you measure like elite status in other like  typical sociology career, you wouldn't find that   332 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,440 being above the cutoff is enough for  you to become an elite in the society.   333 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,480 I wouldn't go to the details but, but we don't  we only have the first job in our survey,   334 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,480 right? By our design, we cannot  follow these people in labor market,   335 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,640 uh and to get some sense to understand  how important the first job is,   336 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:51,840 we downloaded like millions of series are from a  major job recruitment site called dropping.com,   337 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:58,800 and there people have their CV and job history,  and we look at the correlation of how the first   338 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,240 job affects their future job wages. And we  find strong persistence. And this is also true   339 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:09,440 in the U.S., I guess. Your first job is very  important determine your future job earnings.   340 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:17,120 So so the message is that even though we  don't have future jobs for these individuals,   341 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:24,720 our findings is likely to matter for the future  too. So come to the social mobility part, it might   342 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:30,400 be sounds a bit confusing if on the one hand yes,  you know you earn a high wage, of course you have   343 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,920 a mobility now right because your wage rank is  increased. But when people talk about social   344 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,120 mobility, there's another important dimension  is this intergenerational mobility. As you,   345 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:47,120 we all know, there's always your father like your  parents status and child your status is always   346 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:53,360 positively correlated there's always a positive  line between parental status and income status,   347 00:35:53,360 --> 00:36:00,240 where we won't earn the children's status. We want  to know whether this slope changed by being above   348 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:08,400 or below the cutoff. This is what I mean. So just  to give you two scenarios uh now each the red line   349 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:15,200 indicates those above the cutoffs and the blue  line indicates those below the cutoff, and in the   350 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:24,320 first scenario, uh the this red line is flatter  than the blue line, so I forgot to say, the x-axis   351 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:31,760 is the income rank of the parent and the y-axis is  the income rank of the children, In every society   352 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,680 there's a positive slope. If your parents have a  high rank, the children tend to have a high rank.   353 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,440 What's interesting here, we are interested in, if  you above the cut off, if this rank become flatter   354 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:50,080 or steeper, it becomes flatter meaning that now  the parental income becomes less important if you   355 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:56,560 are above the cutoff. This is called increased  social mobility, intergenerational mobility.   356 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:03,440 And in the other case if you are above the  cutoff, actually this line become even steeper,   357 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,600 so it's like the parental status becomes even more  important. I think this is what Pierre Bourdieu   358 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,880 might talk about, you know, elite parents would  have more elite kids, you know, around the elite   359 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:21,440 education. It's just a way for elite reproduction,  uh and we need to see that exactly we don't know   360 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,880 which is likely to be true. It depends on your  thinking about the society. If you think the   361 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:32,960 exam system is great, it levels leverage levels  the play field, and the parental status should   362 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,160 become less important once they're above the  cutoff. If you think oh in the end there's a   363 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,440 the rich kids should learn even more given the  same education, you would likely to expect this is   364 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:52,400 the second case. And what we find in the data  actually is neither the case. So that's why it's   365 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:58,800 interesting to see the data, uh because you know  if you if this is so important, such important   366 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,920 institution in China, if you search online,  you find scholars have all types of argument   367 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:10,080 and hypothesis. Some think or it's very good  system especially for the poor, and something is   368 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,200 basically a illusion, it's cheating. In the end,  it doesn't help the poor. So it's really important   369 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,960 to show the data and this is what we find.  You basically see a parallel shift which means   370 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:28,400 being above the cutoff does neither increases nor  decreases inter-generational link. There are few   371 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:36,160 messages here. First, you know, if you think  uh the exam system attenuates parental status   372 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,600 parental income influence, then this is the  illusion, this is too naive, uh this parental   373 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,520 status is still very important. One way to look at  this is to think about if you are per case here,   374 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:56,960 for example, at the the 20 or 40, 20 to 40 percent  income, 20 to 40 quantile income, and your,   375 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:03,600 if you're above the cutoff, right, you indeed have  a higher wage rank. But if you compare with the   376 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:10,560 kid from the very rich, the top 20 percentile  income families, and even he or she doesn't   377 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:17,760 pass the exam, his wage rank still higher. So now  you so coming back whether can I compete with the   378 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:24,640 the second generation rich, now the answer is it  depends on how rich the the second generation is.   379 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:31,840 If he is from the middle group, yes you can you  can compete with him or her now. But if he is   380 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:39,840 very very rich family, you still cannot compete  with her or him. But I want to be clear, this is   381 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:46,960 not too pessimistic. In many elite institutions,  actually it's likely to be this case. You know,   382 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:53,120 if you go to elite university, if your parents  are richer, you earn even more, right? So this   383 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:59,840 is more optimistic than this case, but more  pessimistic than the level playing field argument.   384 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:06,240 Finally we want to understand  what drives the wage premium.   385 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,880 Is that driven by human capital? You know, you  earn more, you're more productive so you get   386 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,640 paid more. Or is that driven by social networks?  You have, you know, you know better students,   387 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,400 father, your classmate's father has worked for  the government, you get a better job. Or it's   388 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:31,360 actually a signaling. You do not necessarily learn  more, but actually you'll still get a higher wage.   389 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:37,120 So this is very difficult to to pin down, so  what I show you is some suggestive evidence,   390 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,840 and you know if there are very few studies  trying to pin down each channel because it's   391 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:47,280 very difficult to measure any of them as you  can imagine. What is human capital, for example?   392 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:54,080 so what we do is we which the typical matter of  human capital is your performance in colleges,   393 00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:00,880 and you want to ideally measure some tests  that everyone takes across universities,   394 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:07,040 so that is comparable. So gpa is not great right,  because every different university use different   395 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:13,840 ways of gpa diff- like given gpa, so it's not  very comparable. So there's one measure that is   396 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,720 close to this idea or most student would pick,  and they are standardized so you can compare   397 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,600 across universities. That is the National English  Test every student, almost every student would   398 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:31,520 would take it, and the scores are standardized,  and it's I think now graded by computer,   399 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:38,240 so it's comparable. And then we have different,  many other measures, in terms of certificate or   400 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:45,760 exam performance in college, and we check whether  there's difference for those above the cutoff and   401 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,720 below cutoff, and we don't find any difference.  Also, we ask them how many hours they study in cl-   402 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:58,000 in college, and they don't study for for  a lot, but if they study, they often study   403 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,200 English. So we also look at how they put their,  you know, how their, how their efforts look like   404 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,640 for those above the cutoff and below the cutoff.  And we find no evi- like no difference either.   405 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:14,240 So in all the measures of human capital, like  majors, we cannot explain our finding either.   406 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:18,960 So in all these measures, we can measure,  or we can have in terms of human capital,   407 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,280 we find no difference. So it's not that we want  to reject this hypothesis, but we just have no   408 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:32,640 evidence that we perform better, or have more uh  like more certificate to prove they're better.   409 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,560 And if we look at network, you know, if you think  if you know a little bit China, about China,   410 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:45,200 you would think about this is about network, uh  so what we do is, we look at how, we ask them   411 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,200 how you find your job, we also look at how your  networks affect their wage. So when we come to   412 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:58,640 the job search part, people usually use different  ways of search jobs like off-campus job fairs   413 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,800 or on-campus job fairs or job website or  using networks and we don't find anything   414 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,880 that those above the cut-off are more likely to  use evidence, uh use network. If anything, we   415 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:17,120 find they're more likely to use on-campus fairs,  but that's a bit related to what Pang Le said.   416 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,880 Those elite universities also attract better  employers, so they have on-campus fairs which   417 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,640 gives these people more opportunities to get  good, better jobs, but this is not a network   418 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,600 channel, this is more likely to be a signaling  channel in our understanding if the reputation   419 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:40,960 of the university matters in terms of attracting  the employers. And if you look at the, how this   420 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:47,360 network affect, uh wage premium, so what, so  to be sure, yes if you are above the cut-off,   421 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,960 you go to elite university, indeed you have better  networks. For example, if you measure the share of   422 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:59,200 your classmate whose father has college degree, or  whose father has a, is a party member, indeed the   423 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,160 probability is higher. So you know, if you're  above the cut off, your classmate background   424 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,920 is better, that's for sure. We do find that in the  data, but we found this cannot explain your wage   425 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:17,280 premium, so it's not explained by your part, your  your government background. But there's one caveat   426 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:23,600 in these findings. We're looking at the first job,  and this type of weak ties, you know, your your   427 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:29,440 classmates, your schoolmate's father's connection  often matters in the long run. In the first job,   428 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,120 maybe it doesn't matter much, but in the long run,  it can meant more, that well we cannot study that.   429 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:41,520 And another, another piece of evidence on  signaling is suggestive, because it's very   430 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,400 difficult to measure signaling unless you  are in a lab, you know. In the real world,   431 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,480 you don't really know how people send the signals.  We ask them something about job discrimination,   432 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,200 what kind of discrimination they experience  uh when they are on the job market,   433 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:04,080 like we ask like gender, uh appearance,  (unintelligible), rural, etc. We don't find any any   434 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:10,800 difference in this dimension. There's only one uh  dimension which is very sizeably different but not   435 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:16,400 precisely estimated, is that if you're above  the cutoff you're less likely to see that   436 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,760 your, you are discriminated because of a  university rank. This is almost mechanical, right,   437 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,480 because if you're above the culture of you are  more likely to go to elite university and you're   438 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,480 less likely to think you'll be discriminated, or  you are discriminated because of the university   439 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:39,360 rank. And, but this is all, this you know, if you  think discrimination is a negative signaling,   440 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,960 then this is also more consistent with the  signaling mechanism. So in this part, it's not   441 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,480 that we want to reject any hypothesis, we don't  need and this could be a paper without this part,   442 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:57,680 what we want to just to know, we just, let's have  try as many measures as possible and see which   443 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:03,440 is more consistent with the data. And in the end  it's more consistent with the signaling mechanism,   444 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:09,840 and in reflection, in retrospect I wasn't very  surprised. Initially I was a bit disappointed,   445 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,520 oh we don't find human capital in this, but now  I kind of think, you know, you think about this   446 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:22,720 education institution, which is very strict  in interest, but very relaxed exit,   447 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,920 so you know students don't have a lot  of incentive to learn much. I don't   448 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,160 know whether you have studied in Chinese  college whether you shared my feelings,   449 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:37,360 but they did they don't have much incentives  to to to learn for graduation, for example.   450 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:46,880 Uh so yeah I can, I can stop here but  feel free to ask questions. Thanks.